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Revisiting Mythical Women 1 – Revisiting Sinann

Sinann, the river Shannon, from a painting by Chris Thompson

Sinann, the river Shannon, from a painting by Chris Thompson


Welcome to series 5 of Acallam na nÉces, “Revisiting Mythical Women”. In our first episode, we take a look back at the stories of Sinann, and the themes that came up when we discussed them in our very first episode.

We’ve added some new discussion to the beginning of the episode, highlighting how Story Archaeology has added to the ideas and approaches that started the whole project. Follow links below to related episodes and some new research into the longevity of stories, the compacted layers of medieval and 19th century scholarship and the central roles of poetry and dindshenchas.

Related episodes

Dindshenchas and the Art of Mythic Cartogrophy 2 – Dindshenchas and Dreamtime

Rowing Around Immráma 8 – The Schocking Revelations Concerning King Cormac Mac Airt

Rowing Around Immráma 12 – In Search of Manannán


“Ireland in the Ice Age” on The Ireland Story:

“Ancient Aboriginal Stories Preserve History of a Rise in Sea Level” on The Conversation:


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Origin stories – revisited

creationVirtually all cultures have creation stories…

There are two main types of creation myth: the cosmogenic, which is about the creation of the universe or the world; and those that concern the creation of human beings.  The stories of the creation of humans often comes in the same package as that of the creation of the world.

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How long can a story last?- revisited

The river ShannonDefining the longevity of information passed orally from group to group, and from generation to generation, is hard to quantify. Stories change and grow. Their sources become lost in the mists of time, and yet they continue to have significance. Back in 1998, “The Year of The French”, commemorating the bicentennial of the political events in Ireland in 1798, I was advised to have a talk with a local family. “They have the story of the 98,” I was told. It seemed that family members could describe the coming of the French soldiers. It was their story, and the description had been passed on through the generations. There is something similar in my family, although the memory is now so tattered as to be no more than a ghostly remnant. My grandmother told me that her grandmother told her… and so on… that she had seen Charles ÍI walking his spaniels. There is not much more to this story; so, although curious, it is not exactly historically earth-shattering.

newgrange_passage_tomb_rocks (1)Discoveries at Newgrange

In the late 1960’s, when Professor Michael O’Kelly was excavating and restoring the Newgrange complex, (originally built in around 3250BCE), he came across a curious rectangular slit above the door. It was half-closed by a square block of crystallized quartz, apparently designed to work as a shutter. There were scratches on the quartz: clearly it had often been slid to and fro, providing a narrow entrance to the tomb above the main door, which was itself firmly sealed with a 5-ton slab of stone. But what was the slit for? It was too small and too far from the ground to be an entrance for people. Professor O’Kelly remembered a local tradition which said that the sun always shone into the tomb at Midsummer. Perhaps the ‘roofbox’, as it came to be known, was designed to admit the summer sun to the tomb without the entrance stone having to be moved. “But it was quite obvious to us that it couldn’t happen at Midsummer because of the position of the sun,” says O’Kelly. “So if the sun was to shine in at all, the only possibility would be in Midwinter.” Now every year a worldwide lottery is held to select the privileged few who witness the truth of this ancient tradition, if the weather permits. So some elements of the story may have lasted in the area for around 5000 years. Read about the excavation of Newgrange here: aboriginal-rock-art_photo-by-peter-nijenhuisThere is one country where the longevity of story is taken into account and generally, accepted. This is, of course, Australia with its rich store of Indigenous stories.  Since the Sinann episode was first published in 2012, I have continued to explore the themes to be found in these stories and the parallels with Irish texts. My research trip to the Northern Territories lead to our series three podcast episode, Dindshenchas and Dreamtime Let me be clear, I am making no claims for any historical connection, whatsoever, between Irish and Australian Aboriginal heritage. The similarities lie in their function as Dindshenchas tales, (The lore of prominent places). The Metrical Dindshenchas, as Isolde commented in our most recent podcast episode Sinann Revisited, is a most precious resource, an anthology of gathered folklore and transmitted beliefs collected at an early date. The near equivalent to this resource among Australian Indigenous stories would be the rock art library of ‘picture’ texts that have helped to keep this Dindshenchas, style knowledge alive over many centuries, maybe even many millennium. This topic was discussed fully in Dindshenchas and Dreamtime but, I have continued to research anthologies of orally collected Aboriginal tales with specific focus on possible longevity of stories.   I found several significant stories. For example, I came upon a Dreaming story of the creation of the Narran Lakes in New South Wales, referencing the presence of crocodiles. These creatures are now longer found in this State of Australia and have been absent for 15,000 years, since the last ice age. I also found Dreaming tales belonging to Aboriginal tribes from region of the Great Barrier Reef coast. These tell how their ancestors lived on the coastal plains near the edge of the continental shelf. Yet this same area was covered by the last sea rise, more than 15,000 years ago when the Great Barrier Reef was formed. I searched the Queensland Central library, last year and approached the Anthropological department of Queensland University on a hunt for more evidence. However, I may have been searching in the wrong places. Recently, I found a reference to a paper presented by Nick Reid Associate Professor, School of Behavioural, Cognitive and Social Sciences at University of New England and Patrick Nunn Assistant Director, Sustainability Research Centre; Professor of Geography at University of the Sunshine Coast. They give several excellent examples of stories that, they believe, show evidence of extreme antiquity.

Stories … from the Narrangga people of Yorke Peninsula recall the time when there was no Spencer Gulf, only “marshy country reaching into the interior” lying just above the ocean surface and dotted with “freshwater lagoons” where birds and other animals flocked. One day the sea came in, perhaps through the breaching of a natural barrier, and the area has since been submerged. If these stories refer to flooding across the outermost lip of Spencer Gulf, which today lies around 50 metres below present sea level, then they may have originated 12,000 years ago. Even if they refer to inundation of the central part of the Gulf, they are likely to be more than 9,000 years old.

The article, describing their findings is well worth reading. Read about the Dreaming stories here:

 Memories of Sinann

So, could a story retain elements of a cataclysmic event in Ireland that informed the story of Sinann? After the end of the last Ice Age, the Mesolithic landscape was very different, both in landmass and climate.   The middle stone-age hunter-gatherers lived mainly on the shorelines and “machas”, the fertile coastal plains. The close-forested inland areas must have seemed dangerous, “otherworldly” places; a rich source of gifts of food, but mysterious and risky. Settlement in the West of Ireland is better documented in the Neolithic period, (See information on the wonderful Céide fields in Mayo), but Mesolithic settlement right across the west is apparent both on the coast and along rivers and lake areas. The warmer weather of the post Ice Age centuries lead to climatic turbulence, much like we may be facing today. There were several known major Tsunamis, caused by melting ice, which changed the land masses of the world. One such was the Storegga Slide tsunami around 8000BCE that flooded the Doggerland, turning Britain into an Island although the land-bridge did make occasional brief reappearances thereafter. There was another possible Tsunami that was caused by the abrupt melting of lake Agassiz in Canada at a roughly similar date. It has been given as the cause of the creation of the Black Sea, and could have impacted on the west of Ireland; although some experts doubt that this Tsunami would have crossed the Atlantic.  Read about the tsunami Read more about Ireland at the end of the Ice age Download a very interesting research paper on “Extreme wave events in Ireland:” 14 680 BP–2012 L. O’Brien, J. M. Dudley, and F. Dias

 Could Sinann remember ancient climate change?

If the conclusions drawn by professors Reid and Nunn are to be accepted, then it is not impossible that the story of Sinann may not echo a similar memory.  The authors of the paper feel that such memories may have survived in indigenous Australian stories owing to Australia’s isolation into comparatively modern times. They also comment, Aboriginal storytelling is characterised by a conservative and explicit approach to “the law”, value given to preserving information, and kin-based systems for tracking knowledge accuracy.

Almost the same paragraph could have been written describing the process of collating and preserving early Irish story.   They suggest that Australian Aboriginal stories are, possibly, unique in their longevity It could be that certain Irish stories might alter this conclusion.

Revisiting Sinann’s Other Poems

From the Metrical Dindshenchas, Volume 4, edited by Edward Gwynn

translated by Isolde ÓBrolcháin Carmody

pp 36 – 43: Poems 11 & 12

Note: It may seem hard to believe, but in our podcast episode, Revisiting Sinann, we didn’t jump up and down shouting about the link between Sinann and Mongán! We compared her poetic quest to Mongán’s, but didn’t pick up on her name as given in the Áth Líac Find poems – Sinann (or Sideng) ingen Mongáin - daughter of Mongán. This gives even more strength to the idea of the main Sinann story as an “origin story” for Imbas.

IÓBC, 2015

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The Shannon Pot

The Shannon is the longest river in Ireland and the UK with a length of 280km. The river flows from its source in the Cuilcagh Mountains to its estuary below Limerick. This important river and its tributaries drain some 15,500 sq km or about one fifth of the island of Ireland.

The traditional source of the river is a large spring called the Shannon Pot, about 16m in diameter and has been explored by divers to a depth of over 9m. The spring flows throughout the year and is fed by streams that disappear into limestone rock higher up in the catchment area.

Water tracer experiments have shown that other streams sink below ground and flow underground to join the Shannon Pot and have some claim to being the ultimate source of the River Shannon, the farthest of these being the Pigeon Pots in County Fermanagh.

Information from

The Shannon Pot is a beautiful place. It is isolated, hill-ringed and tranquil. It is fringed with trees - not hazel, unfortunately - but mostly the ubiquitous blackthorn. The pool itself is circular, ripples on even the stillest day and is very cold and very deep.  I have several times been into the water, even in February, and can personally confirm its icy freshness.

The Shannon Pot

The site has great “presence”. This is partly because of its natural location, but also because of its shape. It feels like a place of great significance. Indeed, it is likely that it was a “votive pool”, somewhat like Lochnashade, (the “King’s Stables”), the pool near to Navan Fort where the wonderful bronze trumpets were found. From the earliest, times gifts honouring the power of the waters have been found in rivers, lakes, pools, springs and wells. The Shannon Pot, set in a landscape of pre-historic sites, is certainly of importance. Read more »

Revisiting the Importance of the Source

When I chose to study Early Irish, the principal reason was so that I could read the Irish stories and poetry that I so loved in their original language.  As a student of literature and philosophy, I knew that translation meant interpretation.  Being both cynical and a control freak, I wanted to remove the filter of the translator between the text and myself.

This began an extraordinary journey of discovery for me.  Even when studying a text which has an accepted published translation, I find myself going through the original text, word by word, exploring every possibility and permutation of translation until it makes sense to me.

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Repost – Imbas: Poetry, Knowledge and Inspiration

The filid, “poets”, of early Irish society were not poorly paid struggling artists: they were held in the highest esteem and a crucial part of culture.  Indeed, the word fili, “poet”, more literally means “seer“, and the ollamh, “great poet, chief poet”, had comparable status with the king of the túath, “petty kingdom”, and the bishop in Christian times.

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Revisiting Sinann in the Metrical Dindshenchas

from the Metrical Dindshenchas, Volume 3

edited by Edward Gwynn; translated by Isolde ÓBrolcháin Carmody.

pp. 286 – 297; poems 53 and 54

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The Story of Sinann

A Painting of Sinann by Chris Thompson

from a painting by Chris Thompson

In the days of dreaming, when the Ever-Living Ones still walked freely among the misty mountains and green valleys of Ireland, when the soft light of enchantment still shone from every hill of the síd, there was a well.

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Finn Bán describes the Gilla Decair (and his horse!)

Dead Horse drawing by Frits Ahlefeldt

Dead horse – illustration by Frits Ahlefeldt (cc)


Finn Bán to Finn MacUmall:

Na dée dot bennachad, a Fhinn,

The gods bless you, O Finn,

a fhir in chomráid chnesda;

O man of soothing speech;

táncas féin dot ghrésachtsa

I come in need of your stirring words

mar do bí oram egla

Because I was so frightened.


Finn MacUmall to Finn Bán:

Crét fár fágbais t’fhor-aire,

Why did you leave your watch-post,

a Fhinn bháin an droichscél?

O White Finn, with your bad news?

crét as fáth dot chorrachad,

What has you so distracted

fár léigis díot do choimét?

That you could discard your duty?


Finn Bán to Finn MacUmall:

Dúil co ndroichdeilb ndiablaide

A deformed demonic creature,

as mó gráin do’n druing daonda

Uglier than the human host,

ac tiacht cusna fiannaibse

is coming towards the Fianna

atá le siubal saothrach

in an arduous advance.


Ech modarda míscíamach

A sullen, skew-wise horse

ina dhiaid cen chéim deithnis

follows him, dragging its feet;

agastar agarb iarrainn

a rough-hewn halter of iron

atá ar chenn in eich sin

holds the head of this horse


Dá shleig shéta shenlethna

Two precious old broad spears

atá aige dá nimchar

he has, and carries with him;

is lorg d’iarrann aithleghta

a javelin of burnished steel

a chloidem cruaid le ciorrbad:

and his hard sword for hacking;


ach so fáth mo dheithnisse

This is the reason for my speed -

ní thiocfainn co tráthnóna

Or I would have waited ‘til evening!